Linked from Arabs Pressuring Syria To Cut Hezbollah Support

In a word Monky, no. But it is too tiresome to explain to someone like yourself.

Well, maybe not. You see Syria is providing rockets, which are launched against cities....

Nope it is too tiresome. My first impulse was correct.

I posted this response in the wrong thread originally; sorry!

Money has been the established way to get support from Syrian leaders from as long ago as the time of the Romans. Tigerhawk makes a great argument that Syria's support is up for sale now in the fight with Hezbollah and al-Qaeda in Lebanon. Winning support in Syria will also pays dividends in the short term in Iraq. This is a strategic scenario I love.

By the way, the Arab street is speaking yet again, and they don't seem to think highly of Hezbollah.

Monkyboy,

To state the painfully obvious: In war, you always try to cut off the re-supply of the enemy.

In your world, it may be hard to perceive this truth. Hence, your complete disconnect.

You might try reading a little more history and less of your own BS. Clarity for you may only come when the real enemy lets loose something in your own neighborhood.

Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it.

Hint: WWII

All bantor aside: The left is even more hated than the right in the Middle East and is playing a fools game.

-Ian
PS Hiding behind a moniker of “Monkeyboy” is a good clue to your quality and maturity of your of thinking.

Oh, I get it now. Monkyboy is French. That explains everything.

Big D:

It's not that it's "tiresome," it's simply futile. Monkeyboy is on Hezbollah's side in this conflict.

There are a number of leftists whose hatred of Bush has grown so deep and all-consuming that they will support any enemy of Bush's, no matter who it is. They have become perfect contrarians: if Bush supports democracy, then they're against it; if Bush supports Israel, then they support whoever fights Israel.

Too, these leftists already tilt so strongly towards the Arabs and against Israel -- to a large extent because of the influence of black activists, many of whom openly follow the antisemitic, rage-driven teachings of Elijah Muhammed, Malcolm X, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton -- that, like poor old Joe Sobran in William F. Buckley's piece "In Search of Anti-Semitism," hatred of Israel has segued almost imperceptibly into hatred of Jews.

The mainstream of the American Left now shares the Arab goal that Israel be destroyed and the Jews driven into the sea. They rejoyce whenever Jews (or Americans) are killed in the Middle East, and they lament when Arab terrorists are driven back.

On lefty sites such as Daily Kos and DU, they don't even bother dissembling anymore: the antisemitism is blatant and palpable.

But Democratic politicians know there are certain things they cannot say out loud; they resort to code words, such as "disproportionate response," "negotiated settlement," "the peace process," and "ceasefire," to argue for policies they know lead inevitably to Jew killing by the thousand.

Monkeyboy is a tribalist, and he is arguing perfectly consistently... for his tribe. His style is to keep poking his opponents with a stick until they finally turn him out -- at which he declares victory and moves on to the next target.

Thus, responding to him is futile. You may as well debate Israel with Pat Buchanan or Noam Chomsky.

I've been patient with him for some time, hoping that he would eventually break out of his normal mode of drive-by snideness. And for a couple of days this month, he did... but it didn't take. Like a foreign substance, his body rejected rational debate.

At this point, he is deep into violation of rule 4 of the Reptilian Comments Policy:

• Comments whose primary purpose is to derail, disrupt, or destroy the conversation, or to drive away other commenters, or to serve any similiar troll-like goal, will be deleted and the troll warned; subsequent violations -- or even a single violation for anyone on comments probation -- can result in permanent termination. The hosts are the sole judges. Squeals of "censorship" will be considered further abuse. While the hosts dislike having to institute this rule, we dislike even more seeing other commenters driven away by the abuse of the few (or in this case, the one). Reasoned dissent is welcome; verbal assaults and intimidation will not be tolerated.

My prediction is that he won't be here much longer. It's not a 100% given; he has a last chance, following my next comment, to take himself in hand. But I suspect, based upon behavior, that he is simply incapable of doing so.

Dafydd

Monkeyboy:

This is your notice that you are now on comment probation for repeated violation of rule 4 of the Reptilian Comment Policy.

Your specific violation comprises repeated comments that are nothing more than snide one-liners without any actual attempt to engage ideas, coupled with actual lies whose purpose is to derail the conversation -- such as your knowingly false claim that the Taliban offered to turn bin Laden over to the United States after 9/11.

No argument that this isn't what you've been doing will be accepted. "Squeals of 'censorship' will be considered further abuse." Change or go away.

Any further violations will result in you being banned here. This is your final opportunity to change your commenting behavior for the better.

As rule 4 says, "Reasoned dissent is welcome; verbal assaults and intimidation will not be tolerated." You had a brief period in which you engaged in reasoned debate; evidently you didn't like it, and you reverted.

So you are on probation. Bear it in mind.

Dafydd

I agree with those who label it hopeless futility, but since is actually quite simple to do, I shall make the attempt. Monkyboy will not get it, but then Monkyboy does not get 2+2=4.

The difference is the difference in responsibility between manufacturing something and supplying something. It would assinine, moronic, even monkyboyronic to hold responsible the MANUFACTURER of a handgun or a machine gun or a missile for what someone they didn't sell it to later did with it. On the other hand it is quite logical and entirely just to hold the knowing and willing SUPPLIER of a handgun or a machine gun or a missile responsible for what someone they supplied later did with it.

Thus if you get caught knowingly and willingly selling firearms to felons, the NRA will cheer your conviction while at the same time doing its best to scuttle monkyboyronic lawsuits against the gun manufacturers.

Does anybody other than Monkyboy not get this?

My prediction is that he won't be here much longer. It's not a 100% given; he has a last chance, following my next comment, to take himself in hand. But I suspect, based upon behavior, that he is simply incapable of doing so.

Dafydd

Why, oh most wise one, can't you just call this, (a permanent expulsion of "Al-Monkeyboy"), a "pre-emptive" strike to save us all who enjoy visiting this site and sharing in a comprehensive, and honest debate. I, for one will throw a party and celebrate the "cleansing" of Big Lizards. Your patience has been admirable to say the least. Had the boy/man/monkey showed any respect for your comment policy, that would have been different.

And, seeing as how this is "off-topic" from this original tread, you may delete this comment at your convenience.

Rov

Hmmm... Maybe there's a difference between a criminal complaint (to gain a conviction) and a civil complaint (i.e. lawsuit). Nahh... can't be that simple, otherwise everyone would get it.

Monkyboy wrote:

"If that's true, Fred...

Why did the Republicans feel the need to prevent Americans from suing America's weapons manufacturers for any reason?"

It's simple, Monkyboy; they DIDN'T. If a crappily manufactured handgun blows up in your hands and puts your eye out, neither the NRA nor the Republicans have a problem with you suing the manufacturer. However, why should you be able sue Smith & Wesson because some criminal shot you with one of their nondefective products when you cannot sue Ford because some criminal ran over you with one of their nondefective products?

Monkeyboy:

Your last post was another lie, Monkeyboy. You wrote:

Why did the Republicans feel the need to prevent Americans from suing America's weapons manufacturers for any reason?

But you know very well that S.397, the law enacted -- with a great deal of Democratic support -- only shields gun manufacturers from lawsuits by shooting victims after normal and lawful sales of firearms... not "for any reason." As noted, victims of defective products can still sue, as can persons injured by the negligent or criminal sale of firearms (e.g., knowingly selling to a felon or other person barred from firearms ownership).

If this were the first time, I might believe it was merely a mistake. But you have done it all too often to be given any benefit of the doubt.

Your claim was a lie, Monkeyboy. Lying is not allowed on Big Lizards. It is cause for deletion and banning.

This is your final warning: if you lie in any future comment, if you use your commenting privilege to harass or derail conversation, or if you commit any other violation, you're gone. No more warnings, nor will any explanation be supplied to you.

Dafydd

Dafydd,

I feel I owe you an apology for feeding the Monky. My hope was that there could be some sort of responsible engagement with him on the issues, and as you say there have been glimmers of...something. I hesitate to call it intelligence, but at least some sort of semi-rational engagement. But alas, my optimism got the better of me, it was only a mirage to a thirsty traveler. The Monky has heresofar has refused to touch the big black monolith, and I fear shall never do so. Please let us see the backside of him.

And don't worry about hurting his feelings - he will trumpet his banishment to all his friends as proof of his fidelity to the cause. Really, banishment is win-win.

But to your lengthy post (it deserves its own thread by the way), it exactly agrees with my own observations, particularly in respect to the appointment of African Americans to high posts during the Bush Administration. But now I see the disconnect. Since they are allied with Bush, everything they do must be, by definition, evil. Everybody who works for Hitler MUST be a Nazi. It is so obvious to Kos and his ilk that they are frustrated even having to explain it to Neanderthals like myself.

I've also noticed the remarkable silence Kos has on the Lebanon developments. Classic cognitive disconnect. Reality doesn't match fantasy, and you can't say what you think because if you do, you will be identified as what you are. Liberals are just now preparing to shake hands with their anti-matter selves, with predictable results. Really quite amusing.

Not to feed the Monky, but an interesting side note. Condi Rice adamently supports the right to bear arms and self defense. Rice has said in interviews that if her father had not had weapons to protect them, they would have been defenseless against Ku Klux Klan nightriders. Hmmmm. I wonder who she sympathizes with in the current situation?

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