I watched the news conference, Santorum and Hoekstra say they have the proof in the form of declassified intellegence documents. They also say there are more WMDs, still in Iraq and they expect more documentation to follow. The pentagon said it's only weapons, not the stockpiles of materials thought to be in Iraq.

Note that raw materials would be far easier to dump down a dry oil well than it would be to destroy loaded munitions.

It's a fact, Iraq was not a WMD free zone as promised the UN, and those that have said Bush lied are in fact themselves liars.

Brit Hume had a followup on the news conference, Barnes said he has been following the story as it has devloped.

News story on this at CNS News.

URL: http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200606/NAT20060621e.html

Santorum has information on his site abut this. Those suffering from cognitive dissonance, like monkyboy here, will not believe this or care about it.... but this is only what everyone from Bill Clinton to Chirac to Putin said was there.

monkyboy:

I might should mention that I was a Democrat for years. Bush was the first Republican I ever voted for. I don't know what will happen in November but I will say that since people like you drove people like me out of the party there is a lot less likelihood of your guys carrying a majority.

monkyboy:

You are right.

When coming into office Bush should have said that Bill Clinton was full of crap... Saddam had no weapons.... it was ok to fine to fire on our planes because cease fire agreements were grabage anyway.... it did not matter if the UN said this or that because they are just a bunch of thieving whores anyway so who cares about their resolutions.... and if Saddam wants to train terrorists.... try to assasinate Presidents.... and wipe out a sizable chunk of his population who gives a rat ass. They are just brown people and who cares about brown people?

The truth is if Iraq does establish a democracy it will be inspite of people like you. You are so busy trying to win this sad, tired, stupid, useless argument about the war that all you can do is hope the Iraqis suffer and die. Just think if they can actually establish a democratic government it will not be in your name. You hope they fail, even though failure means suffering and death for them. So don't act as if you care about those people. You could give a rat's ass. It is all just partisan politics to you.

I wouldn't put a lot of importance on this. Five hundred shells over a two year period is really a pretty small number. But the underlying point is that these items did exist. They were not destroyed as Saddam said they were, nor were they found by the UN Weapons Inspectors. Iraq was not in compliance with the UN resolutions -- this is fact.

Something else Dafydd has posted about here, is equally or more important. When one finds barrels of chemicals stored with empty shells, one can make a very strong case that the two are meant for each other.

empty chemical shells and rockets sitting in the same camouflaged ammo dump with 55-gallon drums of Cyclosarin is a "chemical weapon" in the same sense that an unloaded 9mm in the same house as a bunch of ammunition is a "firearm," and any felon caught in the second situation would be just as guilty as if the pistol were actually loaded. However, the Iraq Survey Group repeatedly refused to call such finds evidence of WMD.

This is a more critical and ignored point. WMD did exist, still exist in some locations, and likely will continue to turn up.
The "conventional" wisdom of the MSM/Democratic Party is that they not only don't exist, but that apparently they never existed and they never said they did, etc. Hypocrisy, thy name is MSM/Democratic Party. Let's hope we don't have to find out the hard way.

How about some mood music?

Bush Was Right!

Finding a few leftover chemical shells that we sold to him doesn't count...they aren't even weapons of mass destruction...

I guess it's lost on the fringe right that clinging to falsehoods costs support for your "war."

The above hissed in response by: monkyboy at June 21, 2006 06:59 PM
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Chemical munitions are NOT WMDs

I C the Democrats are going to redefine WMDs to exclude anything found. Clever.

You know recent events have certainly been dynamic.

WMDs found, Zarqawi dead, other top Al Quedar opertatives dead or captured, The DNC's great plan is for Cutting and Running. Pulling out and redeploying in Okinawa???????????(Maine would be closer to the Iraqi theater)

Gee the midterm elections are only 3 months away and my old post the

Lemming Left almost seems prescient

"Friday, 7 October 2005
The Lemming Left
The Democratic Party seems to be bound and determined to run off the edge of a cliff.

Howard Dean, Moveon.org and other assorted irrational Bush haters, rather than trying to avoid this,seem to be petulantly complaining they are not stampeding fast enough. "

Who needs Karl Rove anyway? ;-))))))

The truth is if Iraq does establish a democracy it will be inspite of people like you. You are so busy trying to win this sad, tired, stupid, useless argument about the war that all you can do is hope the Iraqis suffer and die. The above hissed in response by: Terrye ************************************************* Terrye both Socialist/Progressive/Facists and Islamo/Wahhabi/Facsists have the example same ideal society. An oligarhy of the elite, the intelligentia and/or the relgious/orthodox in control and the masses doing what they are told to by their betters.

It is no wonder they would hope we lose and Al Quedar wins, the only aspect they differ on would be who gets to rule, not how the rule should be conducted.

For the Progressive Left and Al Quedar the real enemy is as Zarqawi put it.

That filthy philosophy
called Democracy.

"" Pacifism is objectively pro-fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, 'he that is not with me is against me"

George Orwell

monkyboy:

George Prwell hated the left. That is why he abandoned it. In fact he said that when the plans were made to send American troops to England to fight in WW2, the initial response of the left was that it was a ruse to put down the workers. Even with the Nazis breathing down their necks they were still stupid. Orwell noted that it was a waste of time to argue with such people. I would say you were living proof that he was right.

Did I miss anything?

Common sense and native intelligence. Critical thinking skills. Other items too numerous to mention. Think that about covers it.

Chemical munitions are NOT WMDs

In the world of the uninformed, perhaps so. But within the common definition being used by the real world, yes they are.

Awwww, why bother. It's like trying to herd cats.

I can always tel when something good is going to happen for America because monkyboy gets even snarkier and meaner.
It has been a tough week for the poltroonery class. monkyboy is a bit snappish because in just a few short days, Zarqawi was killed, Rove was shown to be innocent, the economy is still going great, Bush is getting higher in the approval ratings, the dems are proving they can look even stupider by the day.
And now here we have poor monkyboy, ahving to move the goal posts yet again to ignore not only the clear evidence that saddam was cooperating with Al Qaeda, but now that Saddam was in fact in possesion of significant WMDs.
So let us cut monkybrains some slack. It is tough out there for a poltroon.
And monkyboy, just think on this:
500 is just the opening number. The document trove is just nowbeing translated. The intel is leading us to look in better and better places. It will only gfet tougher for you to pretend you are jsut a tough minded patriot who doesn't want the country wasting time. It will become clearer and clearer that people like you have never operated in good faith towards this country. Enjoy....

Santorum now has a press release posted here:

http://www.ricksantorum.com/Blog/BlogPost.aspx?BlogPostID=2309

Jeebus, the senator needs a writer and a spellchecker. I'm not much of a stickler around the blogs, but this was a big deal following a major press conference... 'nuf said.

Anyway, I think this is the strongest and most alarming point:

* Pre-Gulf War Iraqi chemical weapons could be sold on the black market, and pose a threat to Coalition forces in Iraq if used by terrorists or insurgent groups. These weapons could also be used outside Iraq.

I see exempt-MSM are going full-out in their coverage of the announcement that WMD have, indeed, been found in Iraq.

Not.

At the end of the day, this story means and changes nothing; except possibly hastening concerted acts of War against the US and her few remaining allies. No, the Euro's are not included as part of that list.

Take a very good look at 'monky' - does anymore really remain to be said on the subject?

Folks:

I wonder if Monkeyboy has ever tried that "cower and bleed" line to the face of a soldier or Marine just back from Iraq....

Dafydd

Linked from Saddam DID have WMDs!!

I like your new buttons. They're going to save me time.

Dafyydd:

I doubt if monkyboy has ever seen a Marine. Too icky.

I do wonder what monkyboy's response would be to a big brave freedom fighting terrorists with a dull knife and a gleam in his bloodshot deranged eye. Think he would offer up his mother and baby sister? I do.

Bill, the US resolutions stated plainly that Saddam was to account for and give up to be destroyed all such weapons. Plain and simple. He apparently did not. And 15 shells killed 5,000 Kurds. Maybe that does not sound like mass destruction tos some folks, but I think the Kurds might beg to differ.

Monky boy:

What is with the oil again...do you walk everywhere you do? Do you heat your home with wood, use mice on a treadmill to run your computer? Whale oil for light? A pump in the back yard for water? You are typical of the kind of people who expect that what you want will be there at a price you can afford. You would never stop to wonder if some crybaby autocrat with a fanatical religion who just happens to be sitting on top of huge oil reserves might use that unearned wealth to wreak havoc, No he is not western. He is not a Republican. Ergo he is a good guy.

You sound simple. Really. Ever heard of the Carter Doctrine? [named after Saint Jimmy Carter]

Bill M:

Chemical weapons ARE WMDs. WMDs are defined as NBC weapons -- Nuclear, Biological, or Chemical. "Chemical" means killing through a chemical reaction that is not combustion. Poison gas does not kill through combustion, therefore it is a chemical weapon. Chemical weapons are defined as WMDs. Therefore, poison gas shells are WMDs.

Any questions?

J.

Hey, monkeyboy!

They said we shouldn't question Kerry's patriotism and Zell Miller said we merely question his judgement.

RE: Kerry -- I question his judgement, I question his patriotism, and I question his SANITY!!

And yours.

Hey Jay Tea and Terrye,

Yes, chemical weapons are WMD. The bolded words in my post above were grabbed from monkyboy's post a couple of slots above that.

Thanks for pointing out the NBC definition. I had forgotten that (shame on me - twenty years in the service -- how could I have forgotten? I plead old age!). Anyway, that little definition is all that needs to be said for the newest left-wing goal post moving effort!

Bill M

NBC

PIMF

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You do not know what you are talking about.

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