October 20, 2008

My One Obligatory Slow-Joe Biden "Inadvertent Truth" Post

Hatched by Dafydd

One point about the fascinating and illuminating two-paragraph "gaffe" (i.e., letting the mask slip) committed by Joe Biden yesterday. Beldar (Bill Dyer) hinted at it, but I'll make it explicit. Here is what Biden let slip:

"Mark my words," the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

"I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate," Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. "And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."

John F. Kennedy became president on January 20th, 1961; six months after his inauguration -- the time frame Biden specified -- would be July 20th, 1961.

There was only on "world test" that Kennedy had to face during that period, and it was not the Cuban missile crisis (October 1962), nor the Berlin wall (which began construction in August 1961), nor even the Bay of Pigs fiasco -- which was a personal test (that JFK failed), but not really a world test; the "world" only found out about it after the fact, not before.

Rather, the only world test he faced in his first six months was the infamous Vienna conference with Nikita Khrushchev on June 3-4, 1961. Here is an excellent summary by Scott Johnson of how wonderfully that turned out for us:

The parties reached no agreement on any set agenda or proposals prior to their meeting in Vienna on June 3 and 4. The meetings were therefore confined to the informal exchange of views referred to in Kennedy's February letter. By all accounts, including Kennedy's own, the meetings were a disaster. Khrushchev berated, belittled, and bullied Kennedy on subjects ranging from Communist ideology to the balance of power between the Soviet and Western blocs, to Laos, to "wars of national liberation," to nuclear testing. He threw down the gauntlet on Berlin in particular, all but threatening war....

Immediately following the final session on June 4 Kennedy sat for a previously scheduled interview with New York Times columnist James Reston at the American embassy. Kennedy was reeling from his meetings with Khrushchev, famously describing the meetings as the "roughest thing in my life." Reston reported that Kennedy said just enough for Reston to conclude that Khrushchev "had studied the events of the Bay of Pigs" and that he had "decided that he was dealing with an inexperienced young leader who could be intimidated and blackmailed."

Based upon the impression that Khrushchev took from that dreadful performance by President Kennedy, the Berlin wall and the Cuban missile crisis followed as night follows dusk.

This is the only incident Biden could possibly have been referring to in his rambling "warning" yesterday. He goes on to prophecy that when Barack H. Obama receives his own "Vienna conference" world test -- probably a conference without preconditions with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad -- Obama's performance will also appear to be catastrophic:

"And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right [in how Obama handles that world test]."

47 years ago, Nikita Khrushchev received the impression of a weak American president who would negotiate, bargain, wheedle, appease, even beg, all to avoid a fight he was afraid to fight. Right or wrong, that impression had terrible consequences: We almost went to nuclear war. The only reason we didn't is that Khrushchev offered a deal... he would pull Soviet missiles out of Cuba if we pulled ours out of Turkey. The Soviet Union got its deal; we lost an advantage we'd had over them, but we avoided atomic Armageddon.

Khrushchev didn't want nuclear war; the old Commie was rational. Does Barack Obama dare make the same assumption about Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?

Obama's own running mate predicts that within six months of his inauguration, BO will face a "world test" like the Kennedy-Khrushchev summit of June, 1961... and that Obama will flunk it exactly the way Kennedy did.

Kennedy's failure nearly led to nuclear war; fortunately, the Soviets in 1961 were sane. I'm not so sanguine about the Iranians in 2009.

Hatched by Dafydd on this day, October 20, 2008, at the time of 5:35 PM

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The following hissed in response by: Xpressions

Can we afford to test a candidate after they've taken office? You have to look at the liberal illuminati for what they truly are. We can't afford to get further behind, it will be almost impossible to climb back out.

The above hissed in response by: Xpressions [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 20, 2008 7:51 PM

The following hissed in response by: hunter

This warning is Obama-code preparing us for OBama doing something really stupid and dramatic right off the bench.
The only thing JFK was tested with in his first six months was his failure of resolve at the Bay of Pigs, abandoning American allies trying to liberate Cuba.
If he had been able to face down Khruschev with a liberated Cuba in hand, it would have been a very different meeting.
Israel, Iraq, Colombia, be very concerned if Obama fools enough of the people here in the USA.

The above hissed in response by: hunter [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 21, 2008 5:31 AM

The following hissed in response by: JenLArt

And that means as Sen. Biden put it... "Israel will have to just get used to a Nuclear Iran."

And if Kennedy hadn't reneged on the Bay of Pigs liberators, Krushchev wouldn't have had an Island to aim nukes from.

Biden just rendered Obama into Nobama. Adults will decide this election, and a new Congress. Not a bunch of children with prolonged adolescence pinin' for the sixties, all with advanced cases of Sally Fields disease.

The above hissed in response by: JenLArt [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 21, 2008 5:58 AM

The following hissed in response by: JenLArt

As Bernard Lewis put it, "Mutually Assured Destruction with Soviets was a deterrent, with Achmademojob its incentive.
Democrat Party got it right twice; in 1998 Democrats in Congress across the board spoke in solidarity with Clinton Administration Policy of Regime Change in Iraq, then again in 2002-2003 in the 18 month "rush to war" debate in Congress. But the mediocracy held sway with only pics of burning cars, Anti-American diatribes by Dick the Turban Durbin (of Illinois) such that they were against it after they were for it, and then for it again, and Dick was forgiven all when he busted out cryin'
Then they belly-ache for years in hindsight about how Iran, no Darfur is the place ye oughta shoulda bee...well what stopped you then? What's stopping you now? Could it be passing resolutions to withhold funding for the war you supported? Did that get you distracted? Or for yo rat-tax increases? You shameless SOS's. You also promised (pelosi) to LOWER gas prices when gas sold for half what sells for now, when new Congress took office in 2007. I notice price per barrel droppin right quick as of late. Callin' in last minute favors from Saud, cause YOU and not the opposition got blamed? not as you'd planned? Hmmm? Pelosi? Earmaks? Bailouts? I can barely recognize you, you got so much egg on yo face. Cindy Sheehan says you sa-bo-tagi her campaign. Things getting out of Control?

Memo to President McCain: don't go "reachin cross the aisle" with this vermin, because all you can expect in return is a reach-around.

And don't forget North Korea gave Iran missiles that can also hit Europe. That's why some 20 odd Euro countries have been sitting down with Iran for the past five years. To no avail

The above hissed in response by: JenLArt [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 21, 2008 6:12 AM

The following hissed in response by: wtanksleyjr

You're right, that's what we can expect; but I'm pretty sure that's not what Biden meant. What he probably meant is that Obama will start or get us involved in at least one new war, probably unilaterally.

And yeah, he shouldn't have said it; it was pretty much a slip.

The above hissed in response by: wtanksleyjr [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 21, 2008 7:41 AM

The following hissed in response by: LD57

I guess what Biden is saying is..
"We're going to have a crisis. And, we're going to have to face it with the President we've got, not the President we wish we had.."

The above hissed in response by: LD57 [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 21, 2008 1:26 PM

The following hissed in response by: Gaffe Prices

Or its a 'wag the dog' scheme, designed to reach around the "commander in chief" qualities he lacks and go straight for the One Messiah of Onanism. Obamas will be the great peacemaker, and it will be unpopular back home, because all the trigger happy bigots there just won't appreciate theO the way the Euro-peon countries do, where his popularity rating will soar to towards the heavens and such. And they don't really have a military anyway.

All of this pre-planned and co-ordinated in advance with regimes and cells hostile to the United States, such as Hamas, Hezbos, etc. America will be humbled for the good of all...,

...to bad its just a pipe dream for the bagman from Chicago, as he and whore, excuse me, whole Democrat party are gonna get hammered by the electorate on Nov. 4.

Don't believe what you hear, don't believe what you read: The Seven Headed Media Lies To You Every Day; Democrat Party is in Real, Reeling, deep, deep trouble. Don't give up, Dont Give In. There are far more of Us, than there are of Them. It won't even be close, so they won't be able to succeed by cheating, stealing, and stuffing.

The above hissed in response by: Gaffe Prices [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 21, 2008 2:09 PM

The following hissed in response by: hunter

Gaffe Prices,
From your mouth to God's ear.

The above hissed in response by: hunter [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 22, 2008 5:27 AM

The following hissed in response by: SeanF

This is the only incident Biden could possibly have been referring to in his rambling "warning" yesterday.
Not true. Biden could have been referring to the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, for all we know. He's not exactly known for his command of the facts, after all. ;)

The above hissed in response by: SeanF [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 22, 2008 9:07 AM

The following hissed in response by: hunter

Obama has a lot of trouble with "Joe's":
First Joe the plumber.
Now, Joe the dumber.

The above hissed in response by: hunter [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 22, 2008 8:49 PM

The following hissed in response by: Xpressions

When your elitist partners feel that you're going to be tested due to your inexperience, that needs to be addressed. The mainstream media illuminati need to speak on this more, because the people need to know the importance of experience when it comes to protecting our country. We must have it!

The above hissed in response by: Xpressions [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 24, 2008 7:21 AM

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