June 30, 2008

Obama, On the Other Hand...

Hatched by Dafydd

Former General Weasley Clark, now a Barack H. Obama supporter, is skeptical of John S. McCain's pretensions to being the stuff that a good Commander in Chief is made of:

Underscoring during a national television appearance a position he has been expressing for several weeks, Clark said performing heroic military service is not a substitute for gaining command experience...

...Whereas Obama's command experience is unimpeach--

"In the matters of national security policy making, it's a matter of understanding risk," he said on CBS'"Face the Nation.""It's a matter of gauging your opponents and it's a matter of being held accountable. John McCain's never done any of that in his official positions...

...Unlike Obama, who has been held accountable for his critical decisions on hundreds of occas--

"He has been a voice on the Senate Armed Services Committee and he has traveled all over the world, but he hasn't held executive responsibility," Clark said. "That large squadron in the Navy that he commanded - that wasn't a wartime squadron..."

...By contrast, the executive responsibility that Obama has exercised is so vast as to--

He's a great man and an honorable man. But having served as a fighter pilot -- and I know my experience as a company commander in Vietnam -- that doesn't prepare you to be commander in chief in terms of dealing with the national strategic issues that are involved...

...Now my man Barack H. Obama, contrariwise, has much greater experience dealing with the national strategic issues; after all, he's been in the United States Senate for three, almost four years now!

Barack H. Obama and his pony-pal, Weasley Clark: With fiends like these, who needs enemas?

Hatched by Dafydd on this day, June 30, 2008, at the time of 6:26 AM

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The following hissed in response by: agimarc

Wesley Clark slithers out from under his rock. Remember his military experience, as his career really took off when as Commander of Fort Hood, he supplied armored vehicles to the US Marshalls, Ma Richards and the BATF for the Battle of Waco in 1993. The Clintons and Janet Reno were tickled pink at his ability to salute smartly and do whatever they wanted him to do, so they promoted him. Clark is a very, very dangerous man.

The above hissed in response by: agimarc [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 30, 2008 7:30 AM

The following hissed in response by: agimarc

Wesley Clark slithers out from under his rock. Remember his military experience, as his career really took off when as Commander of Fort Hood, he supplied armored vehicles to the US Marshalls, Ma Richards and the BATF for the Battle of Waco in 1993. The Clintons and Janet Reno were tickled pink at his ability to salute smartly and do whatever they wanted him to do, so they promoted him. Clark is a very, very dangerous man.

The above hissed in response by: agimarc [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 30, 2008 7:30 AM

The following hissed in response by: Michael Babbitt

This is one of those claims made in politic circles that only true believers would even begin to swallow. And only someone so self-serving as Wesley Clark would try to get others outside of the Obamaniacs to believe it. Comparing Obama's leadership experience with McCain's, get real! Absurd on the face of it.

The above hissed in response by: Michael Babbitt [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 30, 2008 7:38 AM

The following hissed in response by: Geoman

What Obama has is judge-meant. He judges, then explains what he meant.

I've never understood the Obama campaign's desire to take McCain's credentials head on. I believe they think this is the same as the "swiftboating" of Kerry, and that they are oh so clever, having learned the lesson of the last election.

What made the swift boat thing work was the contrast between Kerry the war hero and Kerry the winter soldier. Pointing out that inconsistency laid the foundation for the attacks. When Kerry he saluted and said, pompously as always, "reporting for duty" at the Dem convention it was the defining moment. And the Dems that cheered at the time, what were they cheering for? Because they liked and supported his military career? No, because they were thinking "that will those fascist Republicans."

The essential problem is Democrats imagining how Republicans think. And getting it wrong over and over.

The above hissed in response by: Geoman [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 30, 2008 9:59 AM

The following hissed in response by: Navyvet

"But having served as a fighter pilot..."

Commander (later Captain) McCain was an attack pilot, not a fighter pilot. While General Clark might not appreciate the difference, he would be well advised not to repeat his statement in a bar full of attack pilots.

The above hissed in response by: Navyvet [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 30, 2008 3:44 PM

The following hissed in response by: Geoman

I once saw Wesley Clark speak once - he was asked what he thought about the questioning of John Kerry's war record. He said, and I quote, "Cease and desist".

Indeed.

The above hissed in response by: Geoman [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 30, 2008 4:24 PM

The following hissed in response by: hunter

When I first heard this, until he started naming McCain, I assumed Clark was talking about the vast short comings of Obama.
And for an American military 'professional' to confuse a Naval Aviator with a pilot is rather telling and was likely a deliberate insult.

The above hissed in response by: hunter [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 30, 2008 8:55 PM

The following hissed in response by: Dafydd ab Hugh

Hunter:

And for an American military 'professional' to confuse a Naval Aviator with a pilot is rather telling and was likely a deliberate insult.

Uh, a naval aviator is a pilot; the navigator, RIO, or whatnot is a naval flight officer (NFO).

I don't think Clark was deliberately trying to insult McCain with the "riding" comment; he was repeating exactly what the interviewer said. I suspect he just repeated it by rote and didn't even think about the distinction between driving the plane and being the FO.

And come on, it's not like flight officers are just dead weight! They're in the plane because it takes two (or more) people in an F-14, A-6, S-3, and many other multi-seat warplanes.

Dafydd

The above hissed in response by: Dafydd ab Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 30, 2008 10:53 PM

The following hissed in response by: Dan Kauffman

A Naval Pilot is what my Dad was on Midway Island, a Pilot guides ships into harbor McCain was a Naval Aviator ;-)

What made the swift boat thing work was

John Edwards saying at the Democratic Convention

if you want to know what kind of man John Kerry is, just ask anyone who served with him?


Best not ask questions you may not like the answer to LOL

The above hissed in response by: Dan Kauffman [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 1, 2008 4:51 AM

The following hissed in response by: Da Coyote

I personally detest McCain's pathetic political stance, but I'd salute him any day. As for Clark, my salute would only involve one finger.

The above hissed in response by: Da Coyote [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 1, 2008 6:02 AM

The following hissed in response by: KarmiCommunist

OT:

Well, sorta...it's bashing Obama with facts, but not about Clark.

The National Black Republican Association (NBRA) have some ads out on Obama...not much coverage, for some reason; however, the HuffPo had caught the story - Black Republicans Launch Racial Anti-Obama Ads.

The ads are at the NBRA website, about a 1/4 of the way down their page...under “Radio Ads”. Here they are @ YouTube:

Martin Luther King Was A Republican (ad has 6 spots in it)

Racist Democrats and Arrogant Obama (ad has 3 spots..)

The above hissed in response by: KarmiCommunist [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 1, 2008 7:17 AM

The following hissed in response by: k2aggie07

The thing I love is the gleefulness with which the Left is crowing over their version of "swiftboating". The fact that they think an weak, unfounded attack pattern from a partisan hack of a general comes anywhere close to statements by former "buddies" and unit members who are now "normal" people are anywhere close to equivalent is pathetic.

The media "analysis" of this event consists of asking "Is this McCain's swiftboat?" over and over again, hoping it sticks.

All that aside, though, I'm not sure what Wesley Clark wants out of a political candidate. What does prepare someone for being ultimately responsible for the lives of millions of Americans? Even Dwight Eisenhower (as a five-star, not as President) didn't make the decision to go to war. He just figured out how to satisfy objectives that he was handed. Grand, large-scale objectives, no doubt...but the difference is in the scope, not in the type of work.

Who has experience with national strategic and diplomatic positions as well as executive experience? The candidate will never exist unless its an incumbent president. Surely Clark isn't advocating a Bush third term?

The above hissed in response by: k2aggie07 [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 1, 2008 11:59 AM

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