November 16, 2006

Take Him At His Word

Hatched by Dafydd

After being crushed by Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-MD, 95%) in the bruising battle to be number 2 -- there, there, Rep. Murtha, you'll always be number 2 in my book! -- John Murtha (D-PA, 75%) made the following petulant comment:

Murtha will chair the powerful defense subcommittee with responsibility for the war in Iraq and the Pentagon budget. "Nancy asked me to set a policy for the Democratic Party. Most of the party signed onto it," he said, referring to pulling U.S. troops out of Iraq.

All right, let's take him at his word. There will likely be 232 Democrats in the 110th. Congress. Half of 232 is 116; so "most" is 117. Let's be generous and say 150, or 65%.

That would leave 82 Democrats who do not "sign onto" the Murtha-Pelosi defeat-retreat. Add in the 203 Republicans, and you get a solid majority against "redeployment to Okinawa" of 285, or 66% of Congress.

Even if some Republicans despair and want to throw in the towel -- though nobody has found a single House Republican willing to say so -- you would have to lose 67 Republicans to get a majority in the House to vote defeatist. And that's assuming that when Murtha said "most," he really meant an overwhelming "most," not a bare "most."

Even if he did mean overwhelming, it would have to be virtually unanimous, assuming the Republicans stick together (which they likely will; no Republican ran on a campaign promise to yank the troops out immediately, handing Iraq over to the terrorists, so far as I know). With 203 nays, the Democrats would have to hold all but 14 members to a campaign to ensure defeat in Iraq, a remarkable percentage of 94% of House Democrats anxious to spit on the graves of 2,800 brave American soldiers and Marines.

I think it will be virtually impossible to get a defeatist vote out of the Congress, either house; let alone a big enough one to override an inevitable veto by President Bush (which would require all the Democrats plus nearly 30% of the Republicans). John and Nancy are out of luck in more ways than one today.

Hatched by Dafydd on this day, November 16, 2006, at the time of 12:00 PM

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The following hissed in response by: Bill Faith

Excellent point, Dafydd. I just added an excerpt and link to US plans last big push in Iraq (Updated and bumped).

The above hissed in response by: Bill Faith [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 16, 2006 1:25 PM

The following hissed in response by: nk

Can I call Murtha "************************" here?

[Nope -- the Mgt.]

The above hissed in response by: nk [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 16, 2006 1:25 PM

The following hissed in response by: snochasr

What about Dennis Kucinich's plans to cut off the funding? You might get more Democrats to vote to "cut the deficit" than to "cut and run."

I think we need to be ready to say to Dems, "If you don't like being called cut and run Democrats, quit supporting the policy of cut and run!"

The above hissed in response by: snochasr [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 16, 2006 4:04 PM

The following hissed in response by: nk

I apologize.

The above hissed in response by: nk [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 16, 2006 5:09 PM

The following hissed in response by: KarmiCommunist

I think it will be virtually impossible to get a defeatist vote out of the Congress...

We have lost the Battle in Iraq, and probably the *WAR*, so what makes you actually think that?!?


We are a confused Nation...a *WEAK* Nation discribes us better. That's akin to going from bad to worse, and i'm not talking Prison here.

Life on Earth is a *LOT* like Life in a Prison...

Things are looking bad enough, that i have decided to search for firearms. Clubs, spears, bows & arrows, traps, voting, and blowguns might not be enough. Thus: This beginning of a real search. Being an ex-con, i must be careful, and avoid the Police first...then the Federal Check laws (every State seems to have those) and such. Forget the waiting periods!!!

Christmas is coming, and Christmas is always a good time to smuggle 'Thangs. Timing and experience counts when one wishes to break 'Da *LAW* once again. 'Da *LAW* and the US Postal system gets buried during Christmas...trust me, but still a gamble is envolved. Clearly, This is a way to obtain firearms. People need to buy presents for their kids at Christmas, and need cash. People have old firearms, and want to trade them for new firearms, but need more money for their old firearms. People buy a firearm that is too small or too big, and want to downgrade or upgrade after such a mistake. i have cash, and will try to avoid the Police, but will take a gamble...so to speak.

Anyway, if Murtha can "chair the powerful defense subcommittee", then i can own some firearms!!!

Hey, it's Christmas...

KårmiÇømmünîs†

The above hissed in response by: KarmiCommunist [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 16, 2006 7:00 PM

The following hissed in response by: Terrye

I guess we will find out, but if that ISG comes out and actually supports an increase in troop levels it might be that much harder for them to cut and run. I think the Democrats are torn between their anti war faction and their we don't want to look like a bunch of quitters faction. I do wonder if Murtha losing that vote for House Majority Leader might signal a resurgence of moderates.

The above hissed in response by: Terrye [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 17, 2006 5:34 AM

The following hissed in response by: MTF

The more Murtha we get, the better off the GOP will be in 2008.

Hope for lots of bruising rhetorical battles in the new Congress!

The above hissed in response by: MTF [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 17, 2006 8:58 AM

The following hissed in response by: snochasr

Actually, I think it is not enough to have the Dems make fools of themselves, which they will and have. The Republicans actually have to try to advance a positive agenda which, from the minority, they may find blocked at every turn. It is the attempt that will make them winners. If people want what they see, the GOP will win. They lost because they didn't like what they saw the GOP do, not because they wanted what the Dems had to offer (and lied about).

Yes, Republicans need to let the Democratic idiocy show through, but for the sake of the country it needs to be fought hammer and tong as well.

The above hissed in response by: snochasr [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 17, 2006 11:13 AM

The following hissed in response by: MTF

Agree completely. A renewed partisanship combined with a revitalized contract will win.

The above hissed in response by: MTF [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 17, 2006 4:41 PM

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