July 25, 2006

Of Course You Know - This Means War!

Hatched by Dafydd

None of the other blogs I read regularly are talking about this, but I think it's funny as all get out: Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA, 63%) is planning to sue George W. Bush in federal court to get Bush's signing statements declared unconstitutional:

A powerful Republican committee chairman who has led the fight against President Bush's signing statements said Monday he would have a bill ready by the end of the week allowing Congress to sue him in federal court. [Big Lizards presumes that the bill allows Congress to sue Bush -- not Specter. English is a second language to AP. -- the Mgt.]

"We will submit legislation to the United States Senate which will...authorize the Congress to undertake judicial review of those signing statements with the view to having the president's acts declared unconstitutional," Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said on the Senate floor.

Say... wouldn't that bill have to be signed by the president to become law? He could use his second veto right here! Or perhaps he will sign the Specter Act... with a signing statement saying Arlen is full of beans.

There hasn't been even a single case where Bush, relying upon a signing statement, has refused to enforce a law, of course. This is so hypothetical, it's a ghost of a clone of a unicorn. I have no clue what Specter thinks the courts will be deciding: will he focus on one signing statement in particular -- say the one accompanying the Patriot Act? Or will he ask the courts to rule on the general idea of scribbling something in the margin of a piece of paper that the president signs?

I'd love to hear the argument: "Your Honor, a case where a signing statement actually ended up meaning something has never come up, but we'd really like you to waste a few months of your idle hours to hear the whole trial -- in case it ever becomes relevant in the future!" Yes sir, there is nothing judges enjoy more than completely frivolous and unnecessary litigation in their courtrooms.

At least Specter knows where to find his friends:

Specter's announcement came the same day that an American Bar Association task force concluded that by attaching conditions to legislation, the president has sidestepped his constitutional duty to either sign a bill, veto it, or take no action.... [I don't know about you folks, but it looks to me as if a "signing statement" indicates that he signed it.]

"That non-veto hamstrings Congress because Congress cannot respond to a signing statement," said ABA president Michael Greco. The practice, he added "is harming the separation of powers."

Maybe somebody can explain to me (a) why Congress "cannot respond" -- they can pass a "sense of the Congress" resolution any time the mad desire o'ertakes them -- or (b) how this affects the "separation of powers," considering that the president is signing a bill passed by Congress, and the courts will interpret that bill. Three branches, three powers, no waiting.

Still, it's good to know that Specter is not resting on his laurels, after his grueling crusade to prevent large numbers of the president's judicial nominees from even coming up for air within the Judiciary Committee.

Hatched by Dafydd on this day, July 25, 2006, at the time of 6:32 AM

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The following hissed in response by: dasbow

Specter's announcement came the same day that an American Bar Association task force concluded that by attaching conditions to legislation, the president has sidestepped his constitutional duty to either sign a bill, veto it, or take no action....

If you sidestep your duty to do something, doesn't that mean you took no action?

The above hissed in response by: dasbow [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 25, 2006 7:38 AM

The following hissed in response by: FredTownWard

This is sheer idiocy so I guess that I'm not that surprised to see Senatator Specter join the Moonbat Left in this public exercise in futility. Presidential signing statements are the executive branch equivalent of congressmen reading into the record what they THINK the law under discussion SHOULD mean. In other words BOTH are attempts to "spin" future court decisions.

Personally I'd prefer more vetoes and less signing statements, but the idea that they are somehow illegal is beyond idiotic; it is "Specterian". One might as well try to outlaw congressional commentary on the laws they pass, an idea that would probably give Senator Specter a coronary!

The above hissed in response by: FredTownWard [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 25, 2006 8:45 AM

The following hissed in response by: Big D

I don't get the fuss either.

Bush is simply doing what congress has done for years, providing guidance to future courts on his interpretation of the bill when he signed it. Of course, it assumes that the courst will actually read and take into account the intent of laws passed and signed, instead of making stuff up like they so frequently do.

Actually I'd argue that this is yet another sign that judicial activism has gone to far, and is an attempt by Bush not to control congress, but to rein in the courts. Probably won't work, but nice try anyway.

The above hissed in response by: Big D [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 25, 2006 9:15 AM

The following hissed in response by: UinenMaia

Ah, our loony RINO from Pennsylvania tries to salve the sting of his recent "victory" defeat over FISA by bringing a frivolous lawsuit. Pardon me whilst I search for a bag to put over my head in shame for being in the same state ...

The above hissed in response by: UinenMaia [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 25, 2006 9:43 AM

The following hissed in response by: Terrye

Why sue Bush? He may have used the signing statement more than other presidents, but he is certainly not the guy who invented them. It would seem that if they are unconsitutional now, they were unconstitutional before. So shouldn't he be sueing the office of the president and not Bush? I mean, is the end result going to be that only Bush is effected.

The above hissed in response by: Terrye [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 25, 2006 11:26 AM

The following hissed in response by: hunter

Arlan is full of it, but he is so full of it he does not realize he is full of it.
Just how far back do signing statments go? all the way to Washington....or only to Madison?
Specter is nothgin if not a self-absorbed twit on so many topics.
As you pointed out, he could be excused if he put a fraction of the effort he has put into looking stupid into actually doing his job.

The above hissed in response by: hunter [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 25, 2006 12:08 PM

The following hissed in response by: Jim,MtnViewCA,USA

Even reading about this here, the news, other blogs, the comments...I'm still not getting it.
"There hasn't been even a single case where Bush, relying upon a signing statement, has refused to enforce a law"
This pokes my memory. Does anyone else remember when a Dem Congress sent bills to Pres Nixon? Nixon would decide they had allocated too much money for a given program and put the money into an "impound account". Congress went to court in order to force Pres Nixon to wastefully spend the money. As I recall, they won.

The above hissed in response by: Jim,MtnViewCA,USA [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 25, 2006 1:39 PM

The following hissed in response by: Big D

Some history is worth repeating: The first president to issue a signing statement was James Monroe, but until the 1980s most signing statements were rhetorical or political proclamations. Reagan started the process of constitutional challenge type signing statements. From Reagan to Clinton 247 signing statements were made. Bush has issued over 130 signing statements.

A November 3, 1993 memo from the Clinton Justice Department explained signing statements as follows: Since the President may decline to enforce a law when it unconstitutionally encroaches on his powers, then it arguably follows that he may announce to Congress and to the public this fact ahead of time.

So why had Bush had more signing statements? Probably because Congress has issued more laws that collide with clearly established executive powers.

Now an example: Congress may pass a law saying the military can't torture prisoners. While this may be laudable goal, Congress would seem to be clearly infringing on presidential powers as commander in chief of the armed forces.

Bush may veto the law, and then get eviscerated in the press for wanting torture. The alternative, which probably more closely mirrors Bush's real feelings on the issue, is to issue a signing statement. Bush may sign the law, agreeing to apply its provisions, but it is entirely appropriate for him to issue a signing statement saying that he reserves the right to ignore the law, i.e. the president retains his traditional powers under the constitution.

Spectre is of questionable intelligence, and unquestionable arrogance. But then again, a lawsuit might just be useful in more clearly establishing this process in law.

Signing statements remind me in many ways of a pocket veto, which is a process established by the courts rather than the constitution. It actually rests on much firmer constitutional ground than the filibuster, despite what Democrats might say.

The above hissed in response by: Big D [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 25, 2006 2:35 PM

The following hissed in response by: Jim,MtnViewCA,USA

Thanks, Big D.

The above hissed in response by: Jim,MtnViewCA,USA [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 25, 2006 4:40 PM

The following hissed in response by: Robert Schwartz

The law used to be that the Federal courts would not give advisory opinions because Art III limited their jurisdiction to "cases and controversies." By that standard, this law, if it were adopted would be unconstitutional, but that was before the constitution consisted of whatever the NYTimes editorial boards thought it did.

The above hissed in response by: Robert Schwartz [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 25, 2006 6:46 PM

The following hissed in response by: Dana Pico

If "None of the other blogs I read regularly are talking about this," it means you haven't been a regular reader of Common Sense Political Thought, which you should read, every day! :)

I wrote At least I never voted for him -- and I never will on the 25th, and also published the text of my letter to the distinguished Senator from Pennsylvania here, the following day. And yes, of course, this is an unashamed pimping of my own site! :)

Ahhh, three hyperlinks: this'll probably get dumped into the moderation queue!

The above hissed in response by: Dana Pico [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2006 3:50 PM

The following hissed in response by: Dana Pico

Not every law that is passed is completely unambiguous, and such disputes about what a law means often wind up in court. Courts will, on occasion, try to determine the intent of the legislature via examination of the debate records.

By adding signing statements, the President is providing a record of what he believed the law meant and what his intentions were in signing the legislation. Given that he is a constitutional part of the legislative process, it is perfectly reasonable that the courts could and would also include his intentions in interpretations of the law.

That is really all that signing statements do!

The above hissed in response by: Dana Pico [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2006 3:55 PM

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