Interesting debate. I don't want to get in the middle of it, but I linked from Old War Dogs >> Hinderaker: Cold Fury.

i agree with John here. America has been talking for decades...as in for more than just *TEN* years.

Life on Earth is a *LOT* like Life in a Prison...

Do punks like Iran or North Korea worry whilst China and Russia cover their backs...no, of course not. They just want to rape you, with help. America has been being tested for decades, and it looks like we are willing to 'give-it-up' with just a whimper.

Life on Earth is a *LOT* like Life in a Prison...

In any Prison on Planet Earth, it doesn't take decades to spot weakness...just mere seconds...just a sign of weakness in the eyes...just talking first, instead of reacting naturally, can be a sign of weakness.

When you anti-waterboard'ers finally wake up, don't expect any help from me or anyone else.

Scheeesh!!!

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Today, John Hinderaker of Power Line posted a heart-felt demand that we find and execute the terrorist swine

I think that is a little more formal than the picture I got,

I did not get the impression that he recommended
we

put a pistol against any terrorist's head and squeeze the trigger

Rather more of what happened to Zarqawi.
Locate and terminate, air strikes, hunter killer sniper teams, not summary executions.

Tough to argue with those reasons, but what do you think of the column in the NY Post concerning changing the rules of engagement to "kill not capture?"

BTW thanks to Dan Riehl for pointing it out.

I understand how Hindracker feels but I think the military is probably hunting for these guys whether the president makes a formal announcement of it or not.

No doubt if the media covers the tape it all it will only be as payback, the terrorists seek revenge kind of thing. As if they were Robin Hood and his Merry Band standing taking from the rich and giving to the poor. The terrorists who killed these soldiers kill Iraqi civilians on a daily basis and they also killed those Russians...and they had nothing to do with any alleged rape/murder.

It is amazing how CNN was able to overlook Saddam's rape rooms, etc in order to get access to Iraq but they can not manage to balance coverage of our troops.

It is the MSM that sickens me. I am not sure how to deal with their cold-blooded response to these murders. July 11 morning news saw the MSM calling the barbarous video "revenge," as if one could explain and excuse a monstrous inhumanity in a word.

I admire the firmness of the Peters article (NY Post). But what shall we do with those who, at home, choose to endorse the actions of these animals? Those in America-- in the media, in our national life.. What shall we do with them?

The idea should be TO WIN THE WAR(PERIOD). To hamper the war effort by going after especially vile and evil individuals is stupid. Win the war first then settle scores.

Just the opinion of a retired sergeant and VN vet

Monk talk about "the straw man fallacy," you didn't even competently construct a "straw man." Your point is that these 19 individuals acted SOLELY on their own with out outside aid.

Come on a reasonably intelligent person would have constructed a "straw man" like this, "As the 19 terrorists involved in 9/11 were part of UBL's terrorist network and the Taliban, we should have concentrated our efforts in Afghanistan."

Please try to at least show intelligence in at least the two digit range when you try to deceive us with logical fallacies.

Monkyboy, that may well be the single most disgusting post I've ever read here.

Taking the verbal vomit in order:

So it's okay for America to invade and occupy Iraq because of the actions of 19 Saudis.

The actions of 19 Saudis are merely the tip of the problem, and our efforts during the two invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan have given us the opportunity to kill thousands of Islamofascists so far-- with more to come. Good stuff! By the way, I'm glad you finally acknowledge the link between Iraq and al-Qaeda, even if only by inference.

But these terrorists taking revenge for a rape and murder on soldiers from the same unit that committed the crime are "monstrous?"

I'm holding my nose to respond to this piece of filth. But, if you do not agree the actions of these particular terrorists are monstrous, then you are yourself a monster. As far as your bizarre contention that you believe these acts were justifiable as vigilantiasm, what evidence is there the dead soldiers were involved in a criminal rape and murder? Why, for that matter, do you condone vigilante acts? Why, lastly, do you support the acts of terrorists at all?

I think our invasion and occupation of Iraq and the murder of these three soldiers is "monstrous."

I know it's tough to see your personal political favorites, the Baathists, defeated and bedraggled. I'm giddy with delight myself. Really though, to refer to this statement as the product of "thought" is a huge overstatement, don't you think?

monkyboy:

Oh puhleaze... you can not be that dense. For one thing these are the same terrorists who took the Russians and killed them on camera, who did they rape?

In fact we did not hear anything about this being revenge then, it was only revenge in retrospect after some people had been arrested by the American authorities who do not tolerate criminal behavior on the part of our troops.

Now I realize that you long for the good old days when Saddam had his rape rooms going and a crime like this got one of his people a bonus, not a threat of a death penalty.

The truth is the number of American soldiers who have been accused of crimes against the Iraqi people are very few, maybe a couple of dozen...certainly not thousands and when one considers the number of Americans who have been in Iraq, those numbers are less than 1/10th of 1%.

I realize that when you have to make a choice between a terrorist who deliberately targets civiliians as a matter of course and an American soldier, you will pick the terrorist to defend. Just like when given a choice between Saddam and his rape rooms and Uday and his little habit of molesting little girls and then more often than not killing them and returning their bodies to their parents in garbage bags, your heart warms to Uday.

Maybe you are not smart enough to read the Iraqi Liberation Act which was written 3 years before 9/11 or mabybe there are too many big words in the Resolution granting the President authority to go into Iraq for you to comprehend it and realize that we did not go to Iraq just because of something 19 Saudis did.

But the truth is you want America to lose and you are willing to side with anyone, even the kind of people who torture and maim for pleasure just to see your country humiliated.

Maybe you really are so simple that you think the same terrorists who mutilate and kill Iraqis on a daily basis for no other reason than the sheer nasty fun of killing people really cared about that girl or her family. Or that given half a chance they would not happily do the same thing to you or someone you love. This is just propaganda to them and they count on folks like you to make it work for them. Pathetic.

And what did the Israelis do to you monkyboy? Do you think you help the Islamic world by condoning a kind of behavior that can only bring them misery? What about India? Did they invade Iraq? What about Tahiland where Buddhists are being attacked and killed? What about Indonesia? Are they Jews?

From Mudville:

The Times says the video (and accompanying statement) "deepens the mystery surrounding the rape and killing of the Iraqi girl and the slayings of her parents and younger sister."

American officials have said that the soldiers implicated in that crime are from the same platoon of the 502nd Infantry as the two abducted soldiers, but investigators have yet to draw a direct link between the events.

It is questionable whether the soldiers were actually killed out of revenge. Iraqis around Mahmudiya, where the rape and murders took place, believed at the time that the girl and the other three victims were killed by other Iraqis in sectarian violence, according to the mayor of Mahmudiya and American military officials. The mayor said the possible involvement of American soldiers only became apparent on June 30, when the American military announced it had opened an investigation into the crime.

I am not judging anyone collectively. It is the reality based community that seems to believe that Arabs are too primitive for democracy and it is the same community that sits back and eggs on the Palestinians. It is not your house that will be bulldozed, no sir. You guys sit there and tell them to go get them Jews like a bunch of fight fans egging on a beating. It is no sweat off your ass.

And btw Afghanistan is a multinational enterprise, involving the UN and Nato. So bitch at them for awhile. And you know what? You would have been more than happy to sit back and watch those folks go right on hanging homosexuals and shooting women in the head for back talking the old man and you would have done nothing to help them or change their situation. All people like you do is bitch. You never fix anything, you never succeed at anything...you just bitch.

monkyboy:

So what are your methods, other than bitching? You do not support bringing democracy to Afghanistan and Iraq, you never did. You support the status quo, whcih was that Taliban and Saddam Hussein.

Everybody supports the goal of bringing democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan, but the methods we are using have no chance of attaining that goal...

What a strange thing to say. I could understand saying something like this before we brought democracy to Afghanistan and Iraq but after?

Have you not seen the fingers covered in ink that demonstrate democracy was brought to these places? Iraq has an elected government that has passed a Constitution that has a prime minister and a cabinet. How much more democratic can you get?

Consider my mind boggled at such an incredibly ignorant statement. Have you been living in a cave?

Baggi,
Trolls live in caves.

hunter,

:D! monkyboy's tendentiousness boggles the mind, yet the silly simian doesn't rate a kerfuffle to date. I do give the silly simian this, he's giving it the left wingnut college try.

Thanks for hissing in, . Now you can slither in with a comment, o wise. (sign out)