January 27, 2006

Freedom From Religion

Hatched by Dafydd

So now we know:

Priest May Be Tried for Saying Jesus Existed
Associated Press
January 27, 2006

VITERBO, Italy — An Italian judge heard arguments Friday on whether a small-town parish priest should stand trial for asserting that Jesus Christ existed.

The priest's atheist accuser, Luigi Cascioli, says the Roman Catholic Church has been deceiving people for 2,000 years with a fable that Christ existed, and that the Rev. Enrico Righi violated two Italian laws by reasserting the claim....

"The point is not to establish whether Jesus existed or not, but if there is a question of possible fraud," Cascioli's attorney, Mauro Fonzo, told reporters before the hearing.

Cascioli says the church has been gaining financially by "impersonating" as Christ someone by the name of John of Gamala, the son of Judas from Gamala.

He has said he has little hope of the case succeeding in overwhelmingly Roman Catholic Italy, but that he is merely going through the necessary legal steps to reach the European Court of Human Rights, where he intends to accuse the church of what he calls "religious racism."

Now we know what atheists really want: not freedom of religion, but freedom from religion... and to paracontextualize Erich Fromm, atheists want an "escape from freedom."

It's not that they simply don't want you to force your beliefs on them; they don't want you to have the freedom to have beliefs that contradict theirs in the first place... for if Cascioli wins his case, Christianity will be outlawed in Italy.

Thanks for the heads up, Mr. Cascioli!

Hatched by Dafydd on this day, January 27, 2006, at the time of 7:11 PM

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The following hissed in response by: RBMN

If you believe that people are basically good
Dec 31, 2002
by Dennis Prager


excerpts (not too long I hope):

No issue has a greater influence on determining your social and political views than whether you view human nature as basically good or not. In 20 years as a radio talk show host, I have dialogued with thousands of people, of both sexes and from virtually every religious, ethnic and national background. Very early on, I realized that perhaps the major reason for political and other disagreements I had with callers was that they believed people are basically good, and I did not. I believe that we are born with tendencies toward both good and evil. Yes, babies are born innocent, but not good. Why is this issue so important? First, if you believe people are born good, you will attribute evil to forces outside the individual. That is why, for example, our secular humanistic culture so often attributes evil to poverty.


if you believe that people are basically good, God and religion are morally unnecessary, even harmful. Why would basically good people need a God or religion to provide moral standards? Therefore, the crowd that believes in innate human goodness tends to either be secular or to reduce God and religion to social workers, providers of compassion rather than of moral standards and moral judgments. Fourth, if you believe people are basically good, you, of course, believe that you are good -- and therefore those who disagree with you must be bad, not merely wrong. You also believe that the more power that you and those you agree with have, the better the society will be. That is why such people are so committed to powerful government and to powerful judges. On the other hand, those of us who believe that people are not basically good do not want power concentrated in any one group, and are therefore profoundly suspicious of big government, big labor, big corporations, and even big religious institutions.

The above hissed in response by: RBMN [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 27, 2006 10:02 PM

The following hissed in response by: Jim,MtnViewCA,USA

Well put!
btw, BrusselsJournal.com is an excellent place to read about episodes of Euro thought crime. Here is another example related to Christianity but they seem to come down hard on free thinkers in Europe over any number of issues.
As an American, I've been astonished to learn how little freedom of (unpopular, non-politically-correct) expression there is in the EuroZone.

The above hissed in response by: Jim,MtnViewCA,USA [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 27, 2006 10:04 PM

The following hissed in response by: hunter_23

The secular extremists are just fascists with better manners - for now. As they continue to increase their grip on Europe and elsewhere, the relentless hatred of their ideology will become impossible to ignore. But I predict the MSM here will manage to do so. It is just possible that here in the United States we will have seen teh worst of the secular extremist attacks on liberty. If Alito gets on the SCOTUS, we may well be able to say that the high water mark of secular extremist power is passed and is receding.
The upside of this is that the United States and other remaining free areas of the world could pick up millions of new immigrants who are Christian, thoughtful and of European cultural background.

The above hissed in response by: hunter_23 [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2006 4:02 AM

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